California High-Cap Magazine Law Ruled Unconstitutional

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 08/14/2020 at 16:37 • Filed to: None

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My understanding is that the 9th Circuit is by far the most liberal of the federal circuit courts. I haven’t looked at which three judges were on the panel.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article244963785.html

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 16:38

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Gonna go smoke a stogie

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 08/14/2020 at 16:42

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I am going to go and gaze lovingly at my firearms.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 16:48

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You guys get mags with more than 10 rounds?

EDIT: I know you guys have those, just more of a joke about the Canadian situation.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 16:51

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As a gun owner (and I’m probably in the minority here) I couldn’t give less of a shit about mag size. I shoot at a range, or out in the woods with friends. does it make a difference to me if I have three 10 rounders or one 30 rounder? No, it does not.

I’m not under some grand delusion that I’m ever going to have to use a firearm against another human being, so it makes no difference.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gin-san - shitpost specialist 08/14/2020 at 16:52

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For my Mini-14, I have four five-round mags. It’s just not anything I ever gave any thought to. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and I love it here, except for all the things I hate about it, not least, irritating radical progressives. I have to jump through hoops to mail order ammunition, et cetera. But I’m willing to do it in order to live here.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 16:53

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I understand and respect how much gun culture is  part of the US.  I'm not trying to change it for everybody here.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/14/2020 at 16:55

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Dude: there are many correspondents here who own firearms. That’s why I posted this PSA.

WRT grand delusions, I think any firearm owner should be prepared for the extremely remote possibility that they might need to use their weapon for its intended purpose (except maybe a hunting rifle), but sitting around fantacising about it is demented.

MonkeePuzzle > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 16:55

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ALL THE WILD HOGS I CAN SHOOT!!!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 08/14/2020 at 16:56

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I hope I didn’t come across snarky. I own firearms and I am at once an enthusiast and at the same time I marvel at folks’ obsession with them. Gun madness is baked in.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MonkeePuzzle 08/14/2020 at 16:57

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Yup. If I had a wild hog problem, I’d buy an M-1 Garand and use 30.06 on them.

Do you even butcher them?

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 16:58

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Not at all.  I don't see it changing anytime soon.  I also think having children practice active shooter drills is not normal.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 08/14/2020 at 17:01

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I’m with you. We have issues. Outfits like the NRA have morphed it into a tribalism/wedge issue so that no reasonable conversation on the subject can take place. Personally, I’m a Californian and I love California and if I can’t have a 500-round drum magazine, I’m already over it.

Maxima Speed > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:01

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Finally!! Yes!!

camarov6rs > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:02

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Never quite understood why you would push so hard for the capacity limits when I think mandatory training and background checks would be more effective at curbing reckless gun distribution. I understand that you would want to limit the ability of a shooter during a mass killing event but it would be fairly easy to carry multiple mags.

MonkeePuzzle > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:02

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I machine gun the skin off em. eat em raw

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:03

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I just don’t see the US taking the steps required to dominate the need for children to participate in active shooter drills.  That's not acceptable to me.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:05

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If I understood the article correctly, it’s a blanket magazine restriction on all guns?

Canada has five-round limits on centrefire rifles (with the exception of the M1 Garand, maybe some others), ten-round limits on handguns (because they’re a different, “restricted” class of firearm, and that’s regardless of centrefire or if it’s a .22LR ) and I’m not sure if there’s a hard limit on rimfire rifles but I’ve seen thirty-round rimfire mags (like in the Stg-44 rimfire copy that I really want).

slipperysallylikespenguins > camarov6rs 08/14/2020 at 17:13

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California even bans .50cal BMG rifles, even though they have never been used in a murder anywhere in the US. Very little logic, much political fronting.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:23

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I was shopping for a .22 LR last weekend and they have and have had for a while tactical style 10-22's and you can get banana clips for them that hold lots of bullets. I really don’t see a reason why you would need anymore than a 30 round clip for a plinker.

When you get into legit center-fire rifle cartridges I shot about 5-6 a year. 3-4 to make sure it’s shooting straight and 1 to drop my deer, a second if the first didn’t drop it dead in a moment . TBH I just don’t like to shoot the big gun more than 5 bullets at a time between the kick and the noise .

camarov6rs > slipperysallylikespenguins 08/14/2020 at 17:24

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Agreed. I mean if they were serious about restricting guns that cause death I would think you would be extra serious on  handguns due to the ability to conceal and semi automatic capability. Then go after shotguns, shotgun in a crowded environment can be very gruesome even in the hands of inexperienced people.

jminer > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:26

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Yeah you can, but they reportedly don’t taste great and you have to be super careful about cooking them.

Fun fact - open hunting of wild hogs actually increases their numbers. It disperses them, makes them more wary of humans and much harder to trap. It is far more effective a method of population control to let the state run an effective trapping operation to capture whole sounders at one time instead of letting hunters shoot them at a slower rate than they can reproduce.

https://www.tn.gov/twra/wildlife/mammals/large/wild-hog.html

jminer > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/14/2020 at 17:28

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Same - I’ve owned a lot of guns and used to shoot competitively and other than a banana mag on my ruger 10/22 for plinking never had anything that held more than 10 rounds and never had the desire for more in either pistol or rifle.

jminer > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:35

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In response to the first cartoon it’s funny because the reason most guns are in the hands of criminals is because of crazy lax gun purchase laws.  Their point they’re trying to draw there is very false.

Without filling out a shred of paper work here in Missouri (like in a lot of states) I can buy multiple guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition in a single day without filling out a single piece of paperwork or even showing someone my drivers license.

*I am a gun owner and avid sportsman but strongly advocate for common sense restrictions on gun ownership like universal background checks and high capacity magazine bans*

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 17:38

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I meant minority for having the opinion mag size doesn’t matter. Could be wrong.

I agree, it makes sense to be able to defend yourself, but the likely hood is slim to none. Mostly beca us e I don’t cc, so if something goes down, I probably won’t have a gun anyway.....

That’s why I keep nun-chucks on me at all times.

TheRealBicycleBuck > MonkeePuzzle 08/14/2020 at 17:53

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Story time!

A friend of mine I hadn’t seen in a while invited me to go with him to “pick up a pig” from a local farm. I should have known something was up when three other guys met us at the farm. When we got out of the truck , he folded the seat forward and started handing out rifles to everyone, saving a big pistol for himself. That’s when I realized that we weren’t there to pick up a pig, we were there to hunt for a wild pig.

The plan was to station one guy on a grassy knoll overlooking the farmer’s field (yeah, we were making jokes) while the rest of us walked through the woods to flush the pigs out. About 50 yards into the woods we spotted a small herd enjoying themselves in a pig wallow. They spotted us about the same time and scattered in all four directions. Before I could even lift the rifle given to me, my friend was tracking one of the bigger pigs with his pistol as it tried to make it to the nearest fence. One shot and the pig fell. Its momentum carried it under the fence.

That’s when I discovered the real reason he invited me out. We had to carry that pig out of the woods while it was still covered with mud.

I was only in town for the weekend, so I never even had a chance to eat some of that pig. Disappointment all around.

gettingoldercarguy > gettingoldercarguy 08/14/2020 at 17:56

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I meant eliminate, swipe and proofreading fail.

newnamesameme > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 18:40

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You have an enshrined 2a right to a gun but not to a mag size. 

atfsgeoff > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 19:04

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Never thought I'd see the day when the 9th circuit actually strikes down a gun control law as unconstitional. Bravo!

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/14/2020 at 19:14

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subexpression > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 19:26

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At a past job a few of us from around the US flew in to a central meeting point to work together on some stuff . One of them was a firearms enthusiast living in California. We went to a Cabela’s one evening, and I still remember him standing in front of a rack full of 20- and 30-round rifle magazines and saying “these aren’t even legal back home, and here ....”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 08/14/2020 at 19:46

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That is precisely  p recisely why I p osted it.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 08/14/2020 at 19:49

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The rifle as the tool it was intended to be.

My Cousin has an AR-15 full auto with a very short barrel. He has an adapter that converts that thing to 22 long rifle. That's a lot of fun to shoot and cheap. In fact, I prefer shooting it with 22 rather than 556.

M.T. Blake > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 20:14

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Go buy some hi-caps!!! Oh wait... everything has been out of stock for weeks. I can’t imagine why...

UserNotFound > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 20:58

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And here I am wishing my model 36 held 6 rounds.

DipodomysDeserti > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/14/2020 at 21:36

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Some of us are gun owners because friends and family have had to use guns, or have had them used on us.

To me, a gun is a tool meant for a very specific purpose. Owning one as a toy seems sillier to me.

That said, I’m not under a grand illusion that I’m likely to ever need a thirty round mag, but why buy one that holds less?

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 21:37

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I’m going to wonder what that’ll do to mag prices.

DipodomysDeserti > gettingoldercarguy 08/14/2020 at 21:40

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Can’t have a school shooter if there’s no one at school. [insert Axle Foley  gif]

DipodomysDeserti > M.T. Blake 08/14/2020 at 21:43

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Obama?

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 21:55

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“The Second Amendment does not empower private citizens to arm themselves with weapons of war,”

As a matter of fact, that is exactly what it does.

My bird IS the word > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 08/14/2020 at 21:56

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I will say that drum mags in a semi auto are a waste of time and effort.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > gin-san - shitpost specialist 08/14/2020 at 22:38

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There’s no limit for rim fire last I checked. I find out mag restrictions silly, but not because I want larger magazines.

Lots of the magazines you can buy are standar sizes, just with a pin in them to limit the capacity. If someone decides to do bad things with their gun....what’s stopping them from knocking that pin out? Not a whole lot.

I fully support reasonable gun control, but imo it’s a toothless law. Keep the guns away from people who shouldn’t have them, don’t worry about what guns the people who are allowed to have guns have (within reason, please no .50 tracers)

AdverseMartyr > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/14/2020 at 22:39

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I take it you are betting on a Zombie Plague not showing up sometime in the later half of 2020. I mean I didn’t even have “Hurricane in the Middle of a Continent” on my BINGO card.

Because high capacity is going to be important when 1,000 zombies are coming at you.

gettingoldercarguy > DipodomysDeserti 08/14/2020 at 23:09

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M.T. Blake > DipodomysDeserti 08/14/2020 at 23:37

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He was a good gun salesman. Lol. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > UserNotFound 08/15/2020 at 01:19

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Is that the chief's special? I have one of those. I keep the Hornady super expansion blah blah blah rounds in that and hope that five is enough.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My bird IS the word 08/15/2020 at 01:20

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I’ve never heard it put exactly that way before, but where do you draw the line between what's appropriate and what's not appropriate? 20 mm? 40 mm? A bazooka?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 08/15/2020 at 01:21

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 I still took your meaning. And then we have the president spouting off about how some teacher with a 1-in barrel stubby could take on a shooter with a rifle. That guy is such an imbecile.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 08/15/2020 at 01:22

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 Well, there's that...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 08/15/2020 at 01:22

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 That is decidedly not funny. Anyway, he should have an AR-15 and not a 9 mm.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > M.T. Blake 08/15/2020 at 01:26

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 I would not know about that. I've ordered some ammunition in recent weeks, and that was a bit of a challenge. Living in California makes getting ammo You have to go through a couple of extra steps. but I don't mind, because I live in California and I'm willing to go through a couple of extra steps.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > subexpression 08/15/2020 at 01:27

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   My family and I drove across the country and back a number of years ago during the Obama ammunition panic. I stocked up on I stocked up on pistol ammunition at Walmart stores in about five different states. I still have some of it in an ammo can.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > DipodomysDeserti 08/15/2020 at 01:28

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Can’t argue with that.

While I do enjoy shooting for sport, there’s always an element of honing a skill knowing it may save my (or others) li fe someday. My hope is I use every single option available before ever resorting to that though. Sadly, I don’t think I can say the same of all gun owners.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2020 at 01:53

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Dark comedy is the only way I can look at certain topics.

What a wonderful world.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 08/15/2020 at 02:15

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Decidedly not funny but excruciatingly  ironic.

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2020 at 02:30

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The whole idea would be to support a popular revolt against the government. I don't think anyone has ever done an analysis on what percentage of the population would have to be armed, and with what, to facilitate that to a guaranteed level of success. Ironically revolution is a taboo subject even though our founding fathers (to beat that dead horse) believed it would be necessary in the future.

M.T. Blake > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2020 at 10:33

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People panicked under his presidency and bought record amounts of guns. With the pandemic we’re seeing the same panicked firearms  purchasing. Anything 9mm is gold right now. Buddy sold some junk Italian 9mm handgun for $450 that normally would bring $150. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > M.T. Blake 08/15/2020 at 13:56

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I bought two long guns during the pandemic: a Remington 870 and a Ruger Mini-14. The 860 had been offered to me at $150 just prior to the Difficulties, and the seller wouldn't have any interest in making extra money because of the pandemic. The -14 I'd had my eye on for some time with a friend and I bartered some home repair work for it. But to be sure, the pandemic was a factor in buying each of them. Those two and two 38/357 revolvers and plenty of ammo and I am set. My theory is that the wheel guns are for personal protection and the others are for neighborhood protection. The 0.01% likelihood that any of that would ever be necessary. Insurance, more like.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2020 at 16:16

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I saw this, maybe next they will allow us to have suppressors .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CaptDale - is secretly British 08/15/2020 at 17:07

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My cousin in Virginia has a full-auto AR and a suppressed .22 LR target pistol, all completely legal. When I’m there, his neighbor from down the road bring over the M-60 and the Thompson submachine gun.

UserNotFound > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2020 at 17:52

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Yep.  3" barrel chief’s special.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > UserNotFound 08/15/2020 at 18:00

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I think mine is like 1-3/4".

UserNotFound > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2020 at 20:08

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2" barrel is by far the most common, as far as I understand. This one was my great grandfather’s, passed down to me. I just got a few boxes of 38 special wadcutters and I’m looking forward to punching some paper some time soon. It's been too long.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/16/2020 at 03:56

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Sounds fun. I just want a Beretta M9A3

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CaptDale - is secretly British 08/16/2020 at 08:23

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He has a .22 LR adapter for his AR and you can run it with .22. Actually fire fun to shoot that way, imo.

M.T. Blake > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/17/2020 at 15:43

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Those were good decisions. Excellent value for the money. I can’t say I’ve always done that :P

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > M.T. Blake 08/17/2020 at 16:04

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 If I had disposable income, I would shop for used cars and firearms and probably just stick with the cars because the firearms are too complicated. To buy and own.